I feel that Mattias Demet's theory of 'mass formation psychosis' is too simplistic an argument for what transpired in society but I do believe that the COVID-19 propaganda highlights what we learnt from the Asch and Millgram experiments from the 1950s and 1960s in human psychology: individuals are prepared to lie to themselves in order to conform to the majority view and that fear of authority leads people to commit unspeakable acts of cruelty.
Baby Alex's story and the sheer cruelty of preventing people from seeing their loved ones in nursing homes and hospitals, from fulfilling the rituals of love, kindness and spirituality when people group together and normalising the exile of free-thinkers, or the 'wrong thinkers,' has completely shattered my faith in society to do what is morally right.
Thanks for the link, John. As usual, CJ Hopkins does not mince his words. Peter Breggin is also critical of the hypnosis theory, and his argument a few months ago sounded convincing. The best thing is that we can at least still discuss it - appreciate your regular informative posts from the tribe of Australian critical thinkers.
As I’ve written elsewhere of Mattias Desmet and mass formation theory is the following:
(1) I found it useful early on in the pandemic and later as a superficial explanation.
(2) it gets more problematic upon considering those who do not fall into mass formation.
(3) It fails to adequately address the full historical and cultural factors behind this mass formation
(4) there is a faint but real danger of engaging in a blame the victims mentality
(5) there is a kind of schizophrenic view in the dangers of both blaming the victims and failing to adequately explain a conspiracy of just who, what and how induced this mass formation.
(6) If there’s no vast conspiracy which induced this mass formation then we are blaming the victims.
(7) alternatively by comprehending the vast conspiracy which most certainly does exist the reality of many years of propaganda, of state sponsored terror, of widespread suppression and the top-down mandating of psychological instability in the form of Nonsensical Woke ideology there is a group responsible for successfully imposing psychological terror on those affected.
I largely agree with all the points you’ve raised. But I still believe there’s a whole lot of validity to the theory— in so much as explaining the seemingly immoveable mindset of those appearing to be caught up in the formation. Desmet doesn’t deny that there are indeed conspirators who inspire and influence the masses for their own gain— he makes mention of this several times in his book—in fact, dedicated a full chapter to the technocratic transhumanist agenda of those self appointed elites of which we know all too well. Also, as for those of us who seemingly escaped the clutches of the single focused loony masses— Desmet mentions several times that there’s always that 30% who are immune to the hypnotic propaganda. And most importantly… this 30%, are always the enemy of both the conspirators and the masses. Makes sense to me.
You’re right. That is why I have found this theory so useful as a communication tool. But since we live in a world where our communications are repeatedly questioned and berated and where our physical and psychological health is perpetually under attack the onus is on us to stay light and nimble. My fundamental concern here is that we emerge from this debacle with our complex interactive human capabilities intact. Amazing to be having such a fortunate discussion under the circumstances.
“ Amazing to be having such a fortunate discussion under the circumstances. “
——
Indeed it is amazing! If only the sleeping masses knew and appreciated the lengths so many of us have gone to in order to uphold the basic fundamentals of freedom and humanity. It’s a thankless task at present. But you’re right… we must remain “light and nimble.”
Wishing you a Happy Day After Christmas. Heartily agree with your essay. It all comes down to a loss of those vestigial evolutionary physiological devices known as BS detectors. Unfortunately my reasoning on this won’t fit in this comment. More later.
Thank you for sharing Baby Alex's story, John. Fortunately, those of us who are awake do give a toss, and there are more of us every day. The spell will eventually wear off, and the dazed sleepwalkers will gradually rediscover their humanity—although it may be too late by then.
No need to thank me Margaret Anna. Whenever I come across an article of such vital importance, and one so well written and compiled... I feel it's my moral obligation to share it. I wish I could say it was "my pleasure"... but that seems so grossly inappropriate a term to use. Thank you!
Re the awakening of the sleep walkers... I fear it may already be too late.
OK John! I hadn't even realised the importance of this action to you! I will do as you request from now until wee remove the WEF, The CDC, The FDA, The WHO and Adolf Schwab! Mick from Hooe (UK).
I purposely avoided readIng Rice’s authentic account of what happened with Baby Alex because I knew what emotions it would engender.
Today thanks to your reminder John, I gave in and read it. My initial emotional response was tremendous sorrow for the baby and parents. Now, after a few minutes of weeping turning to calm and saying a prayer for an innocent life lost through wicked willful ignorance, the RAGE at those responsible has overtaken me - a constant feeling these days.
I think Desmet nails it pretty well, and that the brainwashing has been an intentional psyop by our intelligence communities for seven decades. Mass Formation comes from the need to belong. The COVIDians are rallying together as a righteous tribe. In addition to belonging, this gives them meaning and purpose. We need to provide a different avenue for belonging and meaning. Calling them sheep is not going to work.
Patton was on to the people who had taken over our virtue narratives when he stated in 1945 that we fought the wrong enemy in the war. We destroyed moralistic fascists on behalf of amoral communists. They got rid of him. How many of you even know about that story? Was it in the Patton movie?
Our propose that we morph our freedom and resistance movement into a series of new nations with one overriding ethos. We seek truth, health, happiness, and ordered community.
It's got nothing to do with "mass formation" or psychology, but with mind control via microwave.
The brains of the vaccinated have been hacked, the graphene nanobots have connected them to the internet, and their thoughts, feelings and actions are now determined by some satanic AI. They are being transformed into bio robots that follow secret commands.
That's why some doctors do everything possible to harm their patients. It's not negligence or ignorance, it is evil intent.
Yes, there are definitely scientific investigations going on into all of that, but as the jury are still out…I thought I wouldn’t go into any of it at this particular juncture. However, I ask you… if there is no substance to the idea of “mass formation”…nor has it anything to do with “psychology”— How then did they manage to fool so many people in the first place (i.e…prior to the injections) to wilfully go along with it all—to the point of damaging not only themselves, but their children as well?
Obviously can't answer for AnaD but I have listened to Catherine Austin Fitts on this, and she's explained the mind-control or entrainment technology is far more sophisticated than people realize. The ubiquitous cell phones and human attachment to them is key to the constant broadcasting and bodies start to sync up with it. As a result your natural BS detector no longer works, and you begin to feel like the lies are the truth. So, there's that, and I suspect more.
All true. But my main point to AnaD was that we can’t deny the raw and intensely targeted, media propelled “military grade” psychological manipulation that got people on board and marching in line in the first place.
The 'believers' in Covid & 'SAFE and EFFECTIVE' (sometimes DEADLY) INJECTIONS can persuade themselves that all is well, Big Pharma, Doctors, the Governments, Vax makers are all working tireless to save our lives from a (man-enhanced) disease (no more lethal than FLU). Nothing can sway their steadfast confidence in the matter. It's nothing to do with the New World Order, the Great Reset, greed or financial gain!
We know of several people with POST VAX health complications (Adverse Reactions). It's happening to friends, but fortunately and incredibly, we do not personally know of deaths post vax. These issues maybe permanent!
We have a local friend, (a dentist) that recently had a Covid jab then lost his memory as well as some other faculties, such as balance, ability to talk or understand. Fortunately, he has recovered somewhat, but we don't know if his memory will 'repair'? His Wife was assured by a relative - a doctor 'expert' that the problem must have been due to her hubby catching Flu & Covid simultaneously! This is how the vax supporters avoid addressing difficult questions = the truth. They believe, and can somehow avoid questioning the narrative!
Doctors used to have pride, dignity, compassion, honesty and the trust of their patients. Their 'oath' was 'DO NOI HARM'. This was way back in 2019, before they received the WEF New World Order instructions to promote EXPERIMENTAL depopulation injections, incorrectly referred to as VACCINES.
Doctors now seem intent in enforcing deadly but useless, ineffective injections into babies that gain no benefit, but can die as a consequence of the injections. This immoral, disgusting, inexplicable insensitivity identifies all that choose not to speak out as MURDERERS!
Now we've sussed the con as a universal CULL (Depopulation) of humanity to reduce Global Warming, which would leave the remaining COVID VAX survivors (and those that joined the dots and saw the BIG LIE = THE GREAT UNVAXXED), as Servants (SLAVES) to our newly 'self appointed' WEF (Elite) masters.
I'm too old to physically physically retaliate but I continue to let the people know how corrupt the World Health Organisation has become since Bill Gates (biggest investor/benefactor/influencer) redesigned their Mission from helping mankind health, into helping to double his fortune by declaring false Diseases, Pandemics and new reasons for 'inventing deadly cures' called 'vaccine'.
Not worth taking another chance with the 'man enhanced' bio-weapon called 'Covid 19 VAX' (Fauci's Gain of Function experimental depopulation project). The 'miraculous' but useless (frequently DEADLY) Covid vax - invented at the "speed of science" (probably simultaneously in the adjacent Wuhan lab). Don't contribute to furthering the Pfizer's directors' wealth by taking yet another health destructing jab.
LIABILITY must be reintroduced for DEADLY INJECTION MAKERS because the 'Temporary concession' for Swine Flu (1976) was a total DEADLY FAILURE but minuscule in proportion to the Covid Vax that's now killing MILLIONS!
EXEMPTION from LIABILITY is nothing more that a 'LICENCE TO KILL', while Big Pharma increase their, already massive, fortunes.
You know Mick... Given the fact we're essentially on the same side of this battle against globalised medical tyranny... I don't really mind you using "every post on my Substack" as a means towards the posting and promoting of your own "rather extensive and (somewhat repetitious) info awakening spiels." But I would appreciate your at least "occasionally" extending the common courtesy of giving my posts a simple "LIKE". Other people do... even when they don't use them for their own personal means. NOT ONCE have you ever given any of my posts a simple "Like"... but you don't seem to mind using them as a platform. (Take that as you wish.)
Been wondering how long it would be until you finally said something! :) The guy's been posting/pasting stuff on your pages for ages now! A bit over the top I'd say? Pretty rude too not at least be giving you a like for the effort in taking the time to write your original posts.
I feel that Mattias Demet's theory of 'mass formation psychosis' is too simplistic an argument for what transpired in society but I do believe that the COVID-19 propaganda highlights what we learnt from the Asch and Millgram experiments from the 1950s and 1960s in human psychology: individuals are prepared to lie to themselves in order to conform to the majority view and that fear of authority leads people to commit unspeakable acts of cruelty.
Baby Alex's story and the sheer cruelty of preventing people from seeing their loved ones in nursing homes and hospitals, from fulfilling the rituals of love, kindness and spirituality when people group together and normalising the exile of free-thinkers, or the 'wrong thinkers,' has completely shattered my faith in society to do what is morally right.
I agree with you regarding Mattias Desmet. And pretty much for the same reasons stated by both yourself and CJ Hopkins... https://cjhopkins.substack.com/p/mass-formation-hypnosis-disorder
However, I still think there's a lot in Desmet's theory.
Thanks for the link, John. As usual, CJ Hopkins does not mince his words. Peter Breggin is also critical of the hypnosis theory, and his argument a few months ago sounded convincing. The best thing is that we can at least still discuss it - appreciate your regular informative posts from the tribe of Australian critical thinkers.
As I’ve written elsewhere of Mattias Desmet and mass formation theory is the following:
(1) I found it useful early on in the pandemic and later as a superficial explanation.
(2) it gets more problematic upon considering those who do not fall into mass formation.
(3) It fails to adequately address the full historical and cultural factors behind this mass formation
(4) there is a faint but real danger of engaging in a blame the victims mentality
(5) there is a kind of schizophrenic view in the dangers of both blaming the victims and failing to adequately explain a conspiracy of just who, what and how induced this mass formation.
(6) If there’s no vast conspiracy which induced this mass formation then we are blaming the victims.
(7) alternatively by comprehending the vast conspiracy which most certainly does exist the reality of many years of propaganda, of state sponsored terror, of widespread suppression and the top-down mandating of psychological instability in the form of Nonsensical Woke ideology there is a group responsible for successfully imposing psychological terror on those affected.
I largely agree with all the points you’ve raised. But I still believe there’s a whole lot of validity to the theory— in so much as explaining the seemingly immoveable mindset of those appearing to be caught up in the formation. Desmet doesn’t deny that there are indeed conspirators who inspire and influence the masses for their own gain— he makes mention of this several times in his book—in fact, dedicated a full chapter to the technocratic transhumanist agenda of those self appointed elites of which we know all too well. Also, as for those of us who seemingly escaped the clutches of the single focused loony masses— Desmet mentions several times that there’s always that 30% who are immune to the hypnotic propaganda. And most importantly… this 30%, are always the enemy of both the conspirators and the masses. Makes sense to me.
You’re right. That is why I have found this theory so useful as a communication tool. But since we live in a world where our communications are repeatedly questioned and berated and where our physical and psychological health is perpetually under attack the onus is on us to stay light and nimble. My fundamental concern here is that we emerge from this debacle with our complex interactive human capabilities intact. Amazing to be having such a fortunate discussion under the circumstances.
“ Amazing to be having such a fortunate discussion under the circumstances. “
——
Indeed it is amazing! If only the sleeping masses knew and appreciated the lengths so many of us have gone to in order to uphold the basic fundamentals of freedom and humanity. It’s a thankless task at present. But you’re right… we must remain “light and nimble.”
Music is still being made in America.
Amen to that!
This is the most important question to be asked...and Micheal from Cafe Locked Out did a short video on it...Why don't people care?
He said of people "they look the same, sound the same, smell the same...but their ethics are not the same as ours"...and I wonder all the time if the jabs have had something to do with it also. Worth watching: https://rumble.com/v1p6kxr-the-one-question-that-becomes-ever-more-profound-cafe-locked-out.html?mref=32yct&mc=49dmy
Yes, thanks for sharing. Michael does some good work indeed.
I watch it about once a week. It is genius, and I keep coming back to that question..because no one I know has a clue ...
I think this particular article I wrote some time ago, goes as close as I’ll ever get to explaining it. At least in as far as trying to make some sort of sense out of it all. But at the end of the day… who really knows? It certainly is a diabolical brain twister. And one which will no doubt still be spoken about and analysed in many centuries to come. https://open.substack.com/pub/johnbotica/p/a-world-in-an-orbit-of-collective?utm_source=direct&r=tz7cx&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Wishing you a Happy Day After Christmas. Heartily agree with your essay. It all comes down to a loss of those vestigial evolutionary physiological devices known as BS detectors. Unfortunately my reasoning on this won’t fit in this comment. More later.
Try Google of Bing searching "soulless vaccine" or other combinations. No results connecting to vaccine.
Search my emai collection of articles; several results.
Thank you for sharing Baby Alex's story, John. Fortunately, those of us who are awake do give a toss, and there are more of us every day. The spell will eventually wear off, and the dazed sleepwalkers will gradually rediscover their humanity—although it may be too late by then.
No need to thank me Margaret Anna. Whenever I come across an article of such vital importance, and one so well written and compiled... I feel it's my moral obligation to share it. I wish I could say it was "my pleasure"... but that seems so grossly inappropriate a term to use. Thank you!
Re the awakening of the sleep walkers... I fear it may already be too late.
Being 77, and not particularly 'hi-tech', I didn't realise I wasn't working the system on your behalf.
We've got to pull together! Mick.
All good Mick. Keep fighting the good fight! 👍
OK John! I hadn't even realised the importance of this action to you! I will do as you request from now until wee remove the WEF, The CDC, The FDA, The WHO and Adolf Schwab! Mick from Hooe (UK).
Thanks mate. Every bit helps, as it counts towards the system's ranking algorithms.
I purposely avoided readIng Rice’s authentic account of what happened with Baby Alex because I knew what emotions it would engender.
Today thanks to your reminder John, I gave in and read it. My initial emotional response was tremendous sorrow for the baby and parents. Now, after a few minutes of weeping turning to calm and saying a prayer for an innocent life lost through wicked willful ignorance, the RAGE at those responsible has overtaken me - a constant feeling these days.
I think Desmet nails it pretty well, and that the brainwashing has been an intentional psyop by our intelligence communities for seven decades. Mass Formation comes from the need to belong. The COVIDians are rallying together as a righteous tribe. In addition to belonging, this gives them meaning and purpose. We need to provide a different avenue for belonging and meaning. Calling them sheep is not going to work.
Patton was on to the people who had taken over our virtue narratives when he stated in 1945 that we fought the wrong enemy in the war. We destroyed moralistic fascists on behalf of amoral communists. They got rid of him. How many of you even know about that story? Was it in the Patton movie?
Our propose that we morph our freedom and resistance movement into a series of new nations with one overriding ethos. We seek truth, health, happiness, and ordered community.
"As though each and every day finds you living a real life scene from the Invasion of the Body Snatchers."
-- Right on, brother.
It's got nothing to do with "mass formation" or psychology, but with mind control via microwave.
The brains of the vaccinated have been hacked, the graphene nanobots have connected them to the internet, and their thoughts, feelings and actions are now determined by some satanic AI. They are being transformed into bio robots that follow secret commands.
That's why some doctors do everything possible to harm their patients. It's not negligence or ignorance, it is evil intent.
You can no longer trust anyone who is vaccinated.
Yes, there are definitely scientific investigations going on into all of that, but as the jury are still out…I thought I wouldn’t go into any of it at this particular juncture. However, I ask you… if there is no substance to the idea of “mass formation”…nor has it anything to do with “psychology”— How then did they manage to fool so many people in the first place (i.e…prior to the injections) to wilfully go along with it all—to the point of damaging not only themselves, but their children as well?
Obviously can't answer for AnaD but I have listened to Catherine Austin Fitts on this, and she's explained the mind-control or entrainment technology is far more sophisticated than people realize. The ubiquitous cell phones and human attachment to them is key to the constant broadcasting and bodies start to sync up with it. As a result your natural BS detector no longer works, and you begin to feel like the lies are the truth. So, there's that, and I suspect more.
All true. But my main point to AnaD was that we can’t deny the raw and intensely targeted, media propelled “military grade” psychological manipulation that got people on board and marching in line in the first place.
🎯 Everything we know. PLUS, going on.
The 'believers' in Covid & 'SAFE and EFFECTIVE' (sometimes DEADLY) INJECTIONS can persuade themselves that all is well, Big Pharma, Doctors, the Governments, Vax makers are all working tireless to save our lives from a (man-enhanced) disease (no more lethal than FLU). Nothing can sway their steadfast confidence in the matter. It's nothing to do with the New World Order, the Great Reset, greed or financial gain!
We know of several people with POST VAX health complications (Adverse Reactions). It's happening to friends, but fortunately and incredibly, we do not personally know of deaths post vax. These issues maybe permanent!
We have a local friend, (a dentist) that recently had a Covid jab then lost his memory as well as some other faculties, such as balance, ability to talk or understand. Fortunately, he has recovered somewhat, but we don't know if his memory will 'repair'? His Wife was assured by a relative - a doctor 'expert' that the problem must have been due to her hubby catching Flu & Covid simultaneously! This is how the vax supporters avoid addressing difficult questions = the truth. They believe, and can somehow avoid questioning the narrative!
Doctors used to have pride, dignity, compassion, honesty and the trust of their patients. Their 'oath' was 'DO NOI HARM'. This was way back in 2019, before they received the WEF New World Order instructions to promote EXPERIMENTAL depopulation injections, incorrectly referred to as VACCINES.
Doctors now seem intent in enforcing deadly but useless, ineffective injections into babies that gain no benefit, but can die as a consequence of the injections. This immoral, disgusting, inexplicable insensitivity identifies all that choose not to speak out as MURDERERS!
Now we've sussed the con as a universal CULL (Depopulation) of humanity to reduce Global Warming, which would leave the remaining COVID VAX survivors (and those that joined the dots and saw the BIG LIE = THE GREAT UNVAXXED), as Servants (SLAVES) to our newly 'self appointed' WEF (Elite) masters.
I'm too old to physically physically retaliate but I continue to let the people know how corrupt the World Health Organisation has become since Bill Gates (biggest investor/benefactor/influencer) redesigned their Mission from helping mankind health, into helping to double his fortune by declaring false Diseases, Pandemics and new reasons for 'inventing deadly cures' called 'vaccine'.
Not worth taking another chance with the 'man enhanced' bio-weapon called 'Covid 19 VAX' (Fauci's Gain of Function experimental depopulation project). The 'miraculous' but useless (frequently DEADLY) Covid vax - invented at the "speed of science" (probably simultaneously in the adjacent Wuhan lab). Don't contribute to furthering the Pfizer's directors' wealth by taking yet another health destructing jab.
LIABILITY must be reintroduced for DEADLY INJECTION MAKERS because the 'Temporary concession' for Swine Flu (1976) was a total DEADLY FAILURE but minuscule in proportion to the Covid Vax that's now killing MILLIONS!
EXEMPTION from LIABILITY is nothing more that a 'LICENCE TO KILL', while Big Pharma increase their, already massive, fortunes.
Mick from Hooe (UK) Unjabbed to live longer!
You know Mick... Given the fact we're essentially on the same side of this battle against globalised medical tyranny... I don't really mind you using "every post on my Substack" as a means towards the posting and promoting of your own "rather extensive and (somewhat repetitious) info awakening spiels." But I would appreciate your at least "occasionally" extending the common courtesy of giving my posts a simple "LIKE". Other people do... even when they don't use them for their own personal means. NOT ONCE have you ever given any of my posts a simple "Like"... but you don't seem to mind using them as a platform. (Take that as you wish.)
Been wondering how long it would be until you finally said something! :) The guy's been posting/pasting stuff on your pages for ages now! A bit over the top I'd say? Pretty rude too not at least be giving you a like for the effort in taking the time to write your original posts.